Intergazione base (the huge puoi passare quì?)

[Devilman]

Io non la tampono perchè non sono un fan (come sapete perchè l'ho ripetuto alla noia) di carbonati o citrati alcalinizzanti perchè possono dare rebound.

Eppoi prendendola ai pasti avete sia innalzamento insulinico sia sodico, cosa altro vi serve?

[NewNewDeal]

usi della semplice monoidrata devilman? pensi che il metodo di assunzione 3g-3g-3g sia efficace? (non tanto come grammatura che alla fine può variare, ma come suddivisione)

[Devilman]

Originariamente inviato da NewNewDeal

usi della semplice monoidrata devilman? pensi che il metodo di assunzione 3g-3g-3g sia efficace? (non tanto come grammatura che alla fine può variare, ma come suddivisione)

Efficace quanto semplice, la prendi ai 3 pasti e via, senza fasi di carico, uso la monoidrata Degussa.

[NewNewDeal]

dici ai 3 pasti, quindi non la prendi pre-wo? E per quanto riguarda la beta alanina?

[Devilman]

Originariamente inviato da NewNewDeal

dici ai 3 pasti, quindi non la prendi pre-wo? E per quanto riguarda la beta alanina?

La crea la uso 2 mesi all'anno circa, ottobre e aprile, per il resto uso il Beta K della Ultimate Nutrition solo prework.

[NewNewDeal]

da quanto vedo il beta K è kre-alkalyn + beta alanina, volendo fare una cosa del genere bulk, ovviamente con la monoidrato dovrei tenere il rapporto creatina beta alanina 1:1?

[THEHUGE]

Originariamente inviato da Devilman

Efficace quanto semplice, la prendi ai 3 pasti e via, senza fasi di carico, uso la monoidrata Degussa.

La fase di carico e' un'altra barzelletta old school. Dimostrata non superiore all'integrazione a dosi fisse e con possibili disturbi intestinali.

Originariamente inviato da manakei

Taurina e Beta alanina competono per lo stesso sistema di trasporto quindi non andrebbero mai associate rischiando di saturarne la capacità si perde la possibilità di conoscere la farmacocinetica.

Dubito che in dosi ragionevoli sia un fattore limitante concreto.

[menphisdaemon]

Personalmente non faccio nemmeno io utilizzare la fase di carico...mi rifaccio alla tabella di Colgan per il mantenimento e la tengo fissa (nel mio caso 6,5 die).

Se non ricordo male ho letto che non la ciclizzi...in tal caso posso sapere a quanto stai die ed il tuo peso?

[THEHUGE]

Originariamente inviato da THEHUGE

Dubito che in dosi ragionevoli sia un fattore limitante concreto.

Uno studio recente effettuato dal Dr. Harris ha dimostrato che l'aumento di carnosina muscolare causato dalla beta-alanina non viene inibito dalla coassunzione di taurina.

Originariamente inviato da menphisdaemon

Personalmente non faccio nemmeno io utilizzare la fase di carico...mi rifaccio alla tabella di Colgan per il mantenimento e la tengo fissa (nel mio caso 6,5 die).

Se non ricordo male ho letto che non la ciclizzi...in tal caso posso sapere a quanto stai die ed il tuo peso?

5 grammi al giorno di San Cubed + una dose addizionale di c-bol solo pre-wo.

[menphisdaemon]

1- Molto interessante...è proprio la cosa che ti chiedevo giorni fa...hai la reference please? Me lo leggerei volentieri dato che in questi giorni il lavoro latita.

2- Sempre On quindi..

[Ascent81]

"Is taking taurine at the same time as beta-alanine going to stop beta-alanine from boosting carnosine and performance levels?

While there is certainly potential for problems when taking these two together (they share the same transporter into tissues), it hasn't yet been supported in the research to any level of significance. In fact, a recent study by Dr. Harris, showed that the increase in muscle carnosine with beta-alanine was not reduced when taurine was taken along with it.

We could get into the biochemistry of why taking taurine with beta-alanine may not seem like a good idea but we have a more simple and conclusive explanation just in case you wanted more proof to support Dr. Harris?s study. Since there is a group of studies that used either beta-alanine by itself or beta-alanine with taurine, we examined them to determine if there were any differences in the resulting carnosine concentrations. While more research is always needed, there are quite a few beta-alanine vs. beta-alanine plus taurine studies, and their outcomes are all the same. There is little to no difference in carnosine concentrations. In other words, taurine does not appear to inhibit beta-alanine from being absorbed to any level of significance, otherwise carnosine levels would have been lower in the beta-alanine plus taurine studies.

What about supposed taurine loss when taking beta-alanine?

This concern by some is based on some rat/cat studies that showed beta-alanine decreased the taurine content in the myocardium by half. These studies were using doses that are over 100 times higher than the highest Beta-alanine studies of 6.4 grams a day. These rat studies aren't even relevant to how we use beta-alanine in terms of dosage.

Beta-alanine does cause taurine levels to increase in the blood plasma, leading some to believe that we are actually losing alot of it from the body through excreting it in the urine. But from multiple studies now, the researchers have shown the taurine loss in the urine, is NOT at any level of significance."

[THEHUGE]

Originariamente inviato da Ascent81

"Is taking taurine at the same time as beta-alanine going to stop beta-alanine from boosting carnosine and performance levels?

While there is certainly potential for problems when taking these two together (they share the same transporter into tissues), it hasn't yet been supported in the research to any level of significance. In fact, a recent study by Dr. Harris, showed that the increase in muscle carnosine with beta-alanine was not reduced when taurine was taken along with it.

We could get into the biochemistry of why taking taurine with beta-alanine may not seem like a good idea but we have a more simple and conclusive explanation just in case you wanted more proof to support Dr. Harris?s study. Since there is a group of studies that used either beta-alanine by itself or beta-alanine with taurine, we examined them to determine if there were any differences in the resulting carnosine concentrations. While more research is always needed, there are quite a few beta-alanine vs. beta-alanine plus taurine studies, and their outcomes are all the same. There is little to no difference in carnosine concentrations. In other words, taurine does not appear to inhibit beta-alanine from being absorbed to any level of significance, otherwise carnosine levels would have been lower in the beta-alanine plus taurine studies.

What about supposed taurine loss when taking beta-alanine?

This concern by some is based on some rat/cat studies that showed beta-alanine decreased the taurine content in the myocardium by half. These studies were using doses that are over 100 times higher than the highest Beta-alanine studies of 6.4 grams a day. These rat studies aren't even relevant to how we use beta-alanine in terms of dosage.

Beta-alanine does cause taurine levels to increase in the blood plasma, leading some to believe that we are actually losing alot of it from the body through excreting it in the urine. But from multiple studies now, the researchers have shown the taurine loss in the urine, is NOT at any level of significance."

Well done sir

[Ascent81]

Originariamente inviato da THEHUGE

Well done sir

thanks good man

[menphisdaemon]

Grazie ragazzi! Dopo me lo leggo per bene

[gian90]

noto che nell'integrazione di base qui descritta mancano gli o3? come mai? non li considerate tali?